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floodedsky
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Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 61 |
![]() Topic: asthma VS wood smoke in West VancouverPosted: 15 Oct 2007 at 4:40pm |
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Hello!
Since this past December, a neighbour has been burning firewood as his sole source of heat in Dundarave. For two months, there was a dense acrid, foul-smelling smoke for a 2-block radius (sometimes more depending on the prevailing wind) around 26th Street and Marine Drive. I suffer from asthma. Every morning I woke up with a horrid headache and my eyes were sore, itchy, and red. My house smelled of his smoke. I know who the culprit is but, unfortunately, after a month of intense research I discovered that there is no bylaw or law to cover the issue of foul-smelling wood smoke - not in West Vancouver and not in the GVRD. There is absolutely no government agency which can stop this arrogant person from damaging the health of those who live around him. He was asked to stop but when he found out that it was perfectly legal for him to violate the rights of those around him to breathe, he continued to burn wood in his oldfashioned fireplace, the smoke of which went straight up his oldfastioned chimney, pumped into the air of the immediate neighbourhood. Toxic. Poisonous. He doesn't care. He refuses to acknowledge the rights of others to enjoy their health and life in their own houses. There is NO mention of the issue of wood smoke in the so-called Environmental Action Plan for West Vancouver - a fact at which I am, frankly, appalled. What a farce and waste of our tax dollars! Local and provincial governments should protect their citizens but now as winter approaches, my hundreds of letters have brought ZERO results. If you suffer from asthma and have a chimney smoke problem that is negatively affecting your health, I ask you to telephone me at 921-1293. Together we can make a difference. Alone nobody will listen to us. You may not consciously be aware of the dangers of wood smoke. Your response may be that chimney smoke doesn't bother you but it does. You may enjoy the smell of wood smoke in autumn but that smoke endangers other people's health and lives. People with heart disease, asthma, bronchitis, allergies, and compromised immune systems. In fact, it can cause those conditions. A Google search will guarantee you almost 1 million web pages on the negative aspects of wood smoke. Our local government in West Vancouver does NOTHING about this problem. The GVRD can only send out brochures. Wood smoke and the health problems it causes is not illegal. There is absolutely no interest in it. Best regards, Gale Leitch |
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Mary
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Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 50 |
![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 12:00pm |
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There are environmental rules in place throughout the GVRD including WV that states you cannot put a wood-burning fireplace into a new home.
If you renovate or build a house and want a fireplace it must be gas. (Existing wood burning fireplaces are allowed to stay) As redevelopment happens across our district wood burning fireplaces will disappear. Some people love the smell of a wood fire…others not so much. I also find wood smoke offensive, the worst is the Presto logs… I wish my neighbour would use real wood, as the smell is not as bad. however when my neighbour has a fire I can’t smell the smoke when I am inside my house, I wonder why is the smell in your house? When I read that a resident was using their fireplace as the “sole source of heat” I thought is it because they are on a fixed budge, that maybe they can’t afford the heating bill? (I have been in that position myself) You state He doesn't care. He refuses to acknowledge the rights of others to enjoy their health and life in their own houses. is he arrogant because he wants to stay warm? Should this person shiver in the cold because you have asthma? He has rights too. |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 12:50pm |
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IT'S NOT THE SMELL THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE... it is the harm that wood smoke causes to EVERYONE'S health. But specifically, Not just asthma sufferers... people with heart conditions, immune system problems.
There are other forms of heat that man can use... electricity, for one! Asthma sufferers can DIE from exposure to smoke and other particulates in the air. People who insist on using old-fashioned wood fireplaces to heat their homes can use electricity instead. They have a choice. I am deeply sorry that you lack the empathy and compassion that many other people are graced with. I am sadly surprised - and so would the BC Heart and Lung Association as well as thousands of other researchers and scientists arround the world - to learn that, in your case, education does not work because some people are to arrogant and selfish to care the seriously negative effects their actions have on other people. It's about conscience and being a good citizen. However, some people are incapable of that. Legally, I am entitled to the enjoyment of my home and life. Legally, my health is a priority over my neighbour's desire to burn wood daily in his oldfashioned fireplace. Legally, he is responsible and liable for making me ill with his smoke. Legally, any person who does something that is detrimental to the health and life of someone else must cease and desist and possibly pay damages as required. A Canadian - under the constitution - is not entitled to legally destroy another human being's health and life. It is my opinion that some people have a distorted vision of their rights and a warped sense of entitlement which is entirely due to their arrogance and selfishness. To wit, my errant neighbour who doesn't care how his nightly wood burning affects his neighbour's health. Sorry, but your opinion in regards to this issue is antisocial and backward-thinking and in direct opposition to law and environmental issues. It is NOT a question of odour or smell, it is a question of life and health. I feel that you need to be enlightened. Please Google "wood smoke, health hazards" and you will find almost ONE MILLION web pages to educate yourself. For me, this forum is an important opportunity to improve our environment. I am serious about improving our environment, not making it worse like my neighbour. But, for you, it seems to be an opportunity for you to entertain yourself. I am concerned about my health and that of people affected by wood smoke NOW - not in some vague distant future when all the old houses in West Vancouver are erased from the landscape. Burning wood daily in an old-fashioned living room fireplace is ignorant, selfish, and illegal in regards to the Canadian constitition because it negatively affects the health AND LIVES of others. Asthma and heart problems can KILL and so can the ignorant city dweller who burns firewood in an old-fashioned fireplace for 6 hours every night, toxic substances going straight up his chimney into the air we ALL breathe. When we turn on our furnaces or open our windows, we want to breathe FRESH AIR, not soot and poisonous substances. Don't you? |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 2:36pm |
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He does NOT have the right to harm the health of others with his smoke. I have spoken with environmental lawyers and this fact is clear as fresh air.
The GVRD only monitors air quality - they do not exist to enforce anything because no rules, laws, or bylaws exist regarding the currrent burning of firewood in old fashioned fireplaces. Basically, there is nothing local or provincially to protect people with existing health problems from arrogant, self-serving individuals who would harm the health of others EXCEPT the Canadian constitution and its laws. I have been informed by various lawyers that this IS a suable matter. Contrary to you, our local government, and the GVRD, Canada deems to protect the individual against harm and his neighbour harming him or or her. Thank God for human rights and the Canadian constitution. |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 2:39pm |
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West Vancouver District, or any local government can be held accountable for its lack of accountability to citizens as per British Columbia law.
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Mary
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Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 50 |
![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 3:11pm |
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Do you think your furnace is clean energy?
Is it Oil or Gas? It does not matter they all release something bad for the environment. I agree that some ways of heating are better than others. I am aware of the issues in regards to wood smoke, I even agree they need to be gone. Steps are being taken, that is why wood burning fireplaces are not allowed in new construction. I care about the environment, and I care about my neighbour’s, you are missing the point I was making, It was that perhaps this neighbour does not have a choice on heating his house with wood (that can be found for free around the district when people cut trees down). I am just trying to understand the situation as to why your neighbour uses wood as his only source of heat. That is the phrase that made me respond. You see I am aware that there are many seniors on fixed incomes living in our district, and if this resident is forced to make a choice of say food or electricity we should have some compassion for them. Do you think Electricity is free? The point is that man has rights too, and as you pointed out he is not breaking the law. I would hope he is not burning wood simply to be arrogant and annoying. |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 5:55pm |
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I got your point and I ALREADY mentioned before that:
1) it is NOT the tenant's only source of heat according to his landlord who tells me the house has an electric furnace; 2) the tenant who is burning this wood told me himself that the ONLY reason he is burning wood is because it is CHEAPER than electricity. Mary, do you understand the above points because I don't know how to make it any simpler for you. It is plain English! The tenant is using his living room fireplace (of an old 20s to 30s house) to burn wood solely BECAUSE HE WANTS TO. Burning wood in an old-fashioned fireplace results in almost zero efficiency (as stated in various research articles on the subject) and almost zero warmth because, in an old house such as that one, there is a temperature inversion which draws in cold air from outside. I experienced this the last time I made a fire in my own fireplace which was several years ago. After a short period of time, the air in the living room became colder not warmer except IMMEDIATELY in front of the fire. OLD fireplaces as sources of warmth are inefficient. Why don't you look it up on the internet? I am giving you plenty of information for you to research this subject yourself - if you're interested and not just using this forum as a means of entertainment. At any rate, I do not want to continue explaining the situation to you if you are incapable of understanding what I do explain. One further note... if ANY of my neighbours complained that I was doing anything that negatively affected their health, I WOULD STOP. Do you understand this, Mary? Because it is a pretty simple concept. |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 6:05pm |
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Please excuse my lack of patience with Mary for being incapable of understanding the situation.
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Mary
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![]() Posted: 16 Oct 2007 at 7:28pm |
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I know that a fireplace is inefficient heat. That it in fact sucks the air out of your house and sends it up the chimney along with the hot air and particulates that are offensive to all. I know the heat goes out of the house and up the chimney. I have told you I understand that, and I agree with all your research and that things need to change. In fact I have taken a wood-burning fireplace out of my house! You state floodedsky, “The tenant who is burning this wood told me himself that the ONLY reason he is burning wood is because it is CHEAPER than electricity”. Thank you for confirming it was a financial choice for this person, whom I am going to deduce, because of his comments is indeed faced with financial issues, and maybe has limited choices, and I choose to have empathy for him. And once again I state If this person NEEDs food OVER electricity regardless of the world’s opinions on wood burning, he has a right to huddle by his wood fire and imagine he is warm, it is not yet against the law. |
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floodedsky
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![]() Posted: 17 Oct 2007 at 2:17am |
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Mary, you don't get it. You are incapable of understanding.
The tenant works as a chef! The tenant eats while he works. The tenant is a healthy robust plump individual. He is cheap as in he is thrifty as in the only reason he is using wood is because it is cheap, inexpensive. His use of heating his house via fires in his antiquated fireplace has NOTHING to do with his ability to pay his rent here in West Vancouver. It has NOTHING to do with needing FOOD over ELECTRICITY. Do you understand? He doesn't need food. Some people are cheap, skinflints, selfish, tightwads, misers, SCROOGES. They are cheap in soul and conscience. They are only concerned with their own needs - nobody else's. Merriam Webster Dictionary - you've heard of it, haven't you - will explain to you. miser One entry found. miser[noun] Entry Word: miser Function: noun Text:a mean grasping person who is usually stingy with money <the miser liked to sit and play with his money> Synonymscheapskate, niggard, piker, scrooge, skinflint, tightwad. Mary, I won't play your game any longer. Your empathy is misguided. You feel sorry for a miser living in West Vancouver but you do not feel sorry for an asthmatic individual who is suffering because a miser is incapable of empathy for anyone. I cannot help you. You are unable to learn. May God forgive you and give you the guidance you need. Mary, I have explained everything. If you cannot understand it, then you are incapable of understanding much of anything. I find this game of yours a tad demented and I won't be responding to your posts again. Please find someone else to victimize. I wish my neighhbour's tenant would too. Come to think of it, you are a lot like his tenant, the chef! Maybe you ARE him. Mary, Mary, quite contrary... From Wikipedia: "The saying "Mary Mary quite contrary" is taken from the nursery rhyme but has come to mean a person who contradicts out of habit or attitude rather than any real objections to the ideas being expressed." |
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